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in the sticky at the top of the support thread

well to be fair, the bot HAS changed dramatically so things that werent problematic before, could be now.  Also the fact that software ive ran for years, sometimes decades - which has never given issue wasnt looked at immediately due to it not even dawning on me.

That all being said, it turns out/turned out to be msi afterburner which is a shame as its how i monitor the goings on with my elaborate rig. Seems if i start it after the bot is loaded all is well in the world.  If i start it prior however the bot simply wont show up.  Dont ask me why, I dont use any of the overlay features.

afterburner does come bundled with rtss which is whats resonpsible for the overlay portion SO i hypothesize that if i were to remove that by itself, i'd be okay.   At this point I dont care enough to check.  Either way, add msi afterburner to the shortlist, a lot of people use it and it was the culprit for me, not teamviewer, not displayfusion (which i assume HAD to be it since it also hooks some draw calls for a few functions).

Thanks for the concise post - all is right in the world now (mostly)!